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STOERZBACH ???????

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STOERZBACH ???????

Bericht door silea » wo aug 27, 2008 12:00

Good morning, Stefano here from Italy, sorry I write in english but for me is more easy.... (maybe Eddy can translate for people don't know :oops: :?: )

So, the question I want submit..... :D
I have my Emeral Vienna Double Sword from long time, last year I given some fishes to my friend Michele that live near to me. This is a normal grey Emerald, but this spring something happen, the new fry born is not like emerald but the male is like the fish in the photo you can see here.
The photo was made from Michele, the fish is one of the 5 like this and is young, I think that is a Stoerzbach....
Now Michele have a fry from this fish and some of the own sister, but at the moment is not coloured, I also have one of this male and I have crossed with 2 female (grey heterozygous for blond) and have fry 15 august.
I think that if this fish is a platinum I must have some male like this, but if Stoerzbach only a common Emerald and only in the next generation, using daughter with father or brother with brother, I can have a % of this male......... or not?

Thank's for yours opinion....

Stefano

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Re: STOERZBACH ???????

Bericht door tgvke » wo aug 27, 2008 12:39

hello Stefano from Italy :wink:
The photo is 1 off my fish, Dubbelzwaard Wildgrau Störzbach Metalliek

For more information you can concact erwin my fish comes from him
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grtz...
-bovenzwaard filigraan Grijs
-bovenzwaard filigraan blond
-bovenzwaard filigraan goud
-bovenzwaard filigraan crème

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Re: STOERZBACH ???????

Bericht door silea » wo aug 27, 2008 14:16

The fish you have is very very similar, and very pretty :P , now the fish in the photo is grown and the tail and fins is more longher, the body color is like your, but more light, the tail have the black and no red...

The fish is born in the F5 or F6 of my Emerald Vienna, I have buy the male at the European Championship in Ferrara in may 2006, and the famale at the European Championship in Wien, giune 2006, from local breeder.

At this point I keep probably some fish with hidden characters, crossing brothers to brothers this characters have emerged.
I hope develope this fishes, I have now a very good fishes from my gray and new emerald blond females, collected from Max Kahrer last year in Wien.

I haven't too muche tank now, only 6, but I want try in future to obtain a blond version........ :wink:

Thank you so much, a this point I think, I and my friend Michele, we have a Stoerzbach... :D

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Re: STOERZBACH ???????

Bericht door eddy » do aug 28, 2008 0:41

hello stefano,
it looks like stoerzbach... but it can also be platinum
the genetics of stoerzbach is easy, because stoerzbach is autosomal and will be inhereted like the bodycolours blond, gold or albino - so you can simply use the mendelian laws to calculate the inheretence...
the genetics of platinum is a little more difficult, because it is gonosomal and can be found on Y (so carried by the males)...
kind greetings and success with these special fishes,
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Re: STOERZBACH ???????

Bericht door silea » vr aug 29, 2008 11:04

Thank you Eddy, I have the first son from this male 15 days ago, and yesterday the second female have dropped.

All the fry is gray fishes, the females I have used are grey, daughter of gray parents but have blond brothers, logically is possible they are heterozygous for blond...... now I can only wait..... :shock: :wink:

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Re: STOERZBACH ???????

Bericht door Erwin » vr aug 29, 2008 16:10

Hi Stefano, nice fish!

It looks indeed like stoerzbach, I recognise also the viennese emerald that is in the same strain as we have here.
The red stripes in the fin.. it's a perfect copy.
The stoerzbach is originally blue/green, my fish have yellow on top that sometimes makes it look more green.
The grey fishes can show a darker color when there is black color under it, when it's on a blond fish it will appear almost like gold! (see my avatar at the left)
Just select the males with stoerzbach and with every generation the percentage will grow...

miky

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Bericht door miky » vr aug 29, 2008 20:50

hello to everyone, I'm Michele, the friend of Stefano, I just inscribed on this forum to insert new photos of this fish, I take this opportunity to get some questions :) .. the selection of female stoerzbach is the same of female emerald?
Furthermore, also to you, some have swords court, others swords are in the standards but the body is too tight ?

sorry for the bad quality of photos but I am not a good photographer hehehe :lol:
Laatst gewijzigd door miky op vr aug 29, 2008 20:54, 1 keer totaal gewijzigd.

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Re: STOERZBACH ???????

Bericht door miky » vr aug 29, 2008 20:52

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Re: STOERZBACH ???????

Bericht door silea » ma sep 01, 2008 17:16

Erwin schreef:Hi Stefano, nice fish!

It looks indeed like stoerzbach, I recognise also the viennese emerald that is in the same strain as we have here.
The red stripes in the fin.. it's a perfect copy.
The stoerzbach is originally blue/green, my fish have yellow on top that sometimes makes it look more green.
The grey fishes can show a darker color when there is black color under it, when it's on a blond fish it will appear almost like gold! (see my avatar at the left)
Just select the males with stoerzbach and with every generation the percentage will grow...
Hello Erwin,
Thank you so much, Yes is nice fish !! Is a great satisfaction found something new in our guppy strain.
As said by miky the fins, especially the tail, is not so good..... My male also have yellow on the top, the dorsal fin have more yellow. The fish of your avatar have very very pretty color and fins, for the moment I hope increase the number of fishes, after I have a very good blond emerald double sword coming from my grey male and blond female of Max Kahrer.
I think the next step is increase number and the fins quality, after cross with the blond.... maybe 1/2 year ll'be necessary.
The question of miky is good, the female of this strain have something different from the emerald??? The strategy in the selection is the same.... is better to select the more clear and neutral female in color?

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Re: STOERZBACH ???????

Bericht door silea » vr okt 03, 2008 12:34

Hello, this is one of this guppy ......

http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=L0z4h0V7gGk

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